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Post by AuroraRange on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:35 am

@InsanityVonMike wrote:I doubt we're talking about the same thing...

1. I buy the computer
2. I change the dvd driver to make more room in the case
3. I buy a new video card if I think that the card is too noisy. I'll thereby sell the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 X2 1GB and buy a new one - GTX 295 or something alike.
4. I'll add some extra ram memory

Wouldn't you think that building your own instead of buying those Pre-DIY is better? u can go or lian li casing or modular powersupply. If u do your maths, I think u can get it at a cheaper price, not to mention better.

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Post by AuroraRange on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:41 am

If u sell it 2nd hand, price will be greater reduced which have the same or even more damage as buying piece by piece. I understand where you are coming from but i think my suggestion is more logical.

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Post by InsanityVonMike on Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:51 pm

Hm... well that card is quiet expensive so I am getting a good price for it. Nor am I an expert on components so I doubt it would go very well. I have some pretty heavy speakers already (Logitech X-530) and I'll probably buy a new pair of headset so I actually don't believe that the noise will disturb me when playing any games as it's really quiet when you're not overloading it with games. That would leave me to only buy a new dvd driver and some ram memory.



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Post by AuroraRange on Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:03 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Hm... well that card is quiet expensive so I am getting a good price for it. Nor am I an expert on components so I doubt it would go very well. I have some pretty heavy speakers already (Logitech X-530) and I'll probably buy a new pair of headset so I actually don't believe that the noise will disturb me when playing any games as it's really quiet when you're not overloading it with games. That would leave me to only buy a new dvd driver and some ram memory.
Well, that could be you, im just a noise hater>.>



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:51 pm

Yes and I'm a noise hater too... I even got tinnitus. My point is that the sound and the situation probably will circle around the noise so it won't really matter.

EDIT: Could you possibly tell me what kind of dvd driver you think I should buy? (more precise than just sata)



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Post by AuroraRange on Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:33 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:
Could you possibly tell me what kind of dvd driver you think I should buy? (more precise than just sata)

err, speed dosnt matter much cause burning at a lower speed have lesser chance of file corruption. You can get those which support almost everykind of DVD (R+&-, RW, Double Layer, dual layer, DVD ram). a lightscribe would be nice Smile

LG, Samsung, Pioneer(not sure about still selling ornot). Just dont buy those noname brand which u cant claim warranty if anything happens.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:26 pm

Ok thanks.

I also need a sound card as I don't think there was one in the packet :S I have the sound system Logitech X-530 (5.1, surround) and a mic so that's pretty much what it needs to handle...



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Post by AuroraRange on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:06 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Ok thanks.

I also need a sound card as I don't think there was one in the packet :S I have the sound system Logitech X-530 (5.1, surround) and a mic so that's pretty much what it needs to handle...

logitech isnt so famous for sound card, i suggest u get asus xonar, creative X-Fi or auzentech. Cheesy Grin (sparkly These are just good cards at an affordable price imo.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:40 pm

mhm... what a stupid mistake... the sound card was already in-built ^^

EDIT: It feels like this thread could live forever but I found another computer for a better price... tell me what you think Smile

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 650W TXEU Black BULK, ATX/EPS, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 125W, AM2+, 8MB Cache, 2,8Ghz, Boxed with fan
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, DDR2, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB, Kit m/två CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, VGA, HDMI, HDCP, Lite-Retail
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB, 7200Rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

My question is if it will be more quiet, run crysis on highest graphics and how good it is compared to the other packet in general.


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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:11 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:mhm... what a stupid mistake... the sound card was already in-built ^^
U could always plug in an internal audio card if you are an audiophile. Better sound quality than integrated.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:16 pm

Yeah but I'll try to keep it cheap at the same time...

you noticed my edit right?



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:34 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Yeah but I'll try to keep it cheap at the same time...

you noticed my edit right?

yep, but go for HD4770 instead of HD4850, it hell of a card.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd4770.html

Priced at 100USD and you get 90-100% of the performance of HD4850. It should be selling hotter than pancakes soon enough.

www.xbitlabs.com[/mention] wrote:Highs:

* Best performance in its price range;
* Significantly outperforms Radeon HD 4830 and GeForce 9800 GT;
* Competes successfully against GeForce GTS 250 512MB;
* Yields slightly to Radeon HD 4850;
* Wide range of supported FSAA modes;
* Best Edge-detect CFAA in the industry;
* 40nm GPU production technology;
* 512MB of local GDDR5 video memory onboard;
* 640 ALU and 32 texture processors;
* DirectX 10.1 and Shader Model 4.1 support;
* Fully-fledged hardware HD video decoding;
* High-quality HD video post-processing with scalability;
* Built-in 8-channel audio controller with HD support;
* Sound over HDMI;
* Good overclocking potential;
* Low noise;
* Low power consumption.

Lows:

* No serious drawbacks found.



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:39 pm

I dont believe you can run crysis to ultra high unless your using dual GPU card. Go for xfire HD4770 which only cost 200USD, a killer for the price. However, your cant support ultra high at high resolution eccept using 2x4870, 4870x2, 2x4890 or GTX285(just made it), 2xGTX260 core 216, GTX295 for nvidia. Even the GTX295 have problem in high resolution with ultra high settings.(20-30fps max)



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:28 pm

Ok so let's assume that I buy the packet which I was talking about. Everything is good in the packet except the graphics card which can "only" run crysis at very high settings and not ultra... the card is supported by crossfire (?) so I buy an extra card when I get the cashflow and then, I will most likely be able to play crysis on ultra high settings... am I correct?



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:42 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Ok so let's assume that I buy the packet which I was talking about. Everything is good in the packet except the graphics card which can "only" run crysis at very high settings and not ultra... the card is supported by crossfire (?) so I buy an extra card when I get the cashflow and then, I will most likely be able to play crysis on ultra high settings... am I correct?
yep, get hd4770, 30% cheaper but around the same performance Smile



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:52 pm

Ok, I trust your judgment that it's as good as the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512mb... if you compare the two packets that are shown below (don't mind the graphics card), which one is best?

Packet 1

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 650W TXEU Black BULK, ATX/EPS, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 125W, AM2+, 8MB Cache, 2,8Ghz, Boxed with fan
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, DDR2, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB, Kit m/två CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, VGA, HDMI, HDCP, Lite-Retail
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB, 7200Rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Packet 2

Cooler Master Centurion 590 Black, Aluminium Front (Without PSU)
Seasonic S12Energy+ PSU 650W, 120mm Fan, ATX/EPS, 2xPCI-E, 6xSATA, 20/24pin
AMD Phenom™ II X3 720 Black Edition, Triple Core, 2,8Ghz, AM3, 95W, Boxed
Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850X2 1GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, HDCP, Full-Retail
Gigabyte GA-MA78G-UD3H, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 780G+SB700, ATX, DDR2 , Firewire, GbLAN, HDMI, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-300, 16MB, 7200RPM
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:48 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Ok, I trust your judgment that it's as good as the Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512mb... if you compare the two packets that are shown below (don't mind the graphics card), which one is best?

Packet 1

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 650W TXEU Black BULK, ATX/EPS, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 125W, AM2+, 8MB Cache, 2,8Ghz, Boxed with fan
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, DDR2, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB, Kit m/två CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, VGA, HDMI, HDCP, Lite-Retail
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB, 7200Rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Packet 2

Cooler Master Centurion 590 Black, Aluminium Front (Without PSU)
Seasonic S12Energy+ PSU 650W, 120mm Fan, ATX/EPS, 2xPCI-E, 6xSATA, 20/24pin
AMD Phenom™ II X3 720 Black Edition, Triple Core, 2,8Ghz, AM3, 95W, Boxed
Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850X2 1GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, HDCP, Full-Retail
Gigabyte GA-MA78G-UD3H, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 780G+SB700, ATX, DDR2 , Firewire, GbLAN, HDMI, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-300, 16MB, 7200RPM
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk

Packet 1 wins under the condition that you are deciding to crossfire, just add 1 more card if u have cash and you can start fragging.
Packet 2 may be better but it has reached its limit.

The Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4 is really a good mobo for crossfire and gigabyte's known top notch quality.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:50 pm

Ok so in what points is the packet 2 better? (even thou packet 1 already won the battle)



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:11 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Ok so in what points is the packet 2 better? (even thou packet 1 already won the battle)
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As i said graphic card is the main component for 3d gaming which packet 2 lead by having 2 graphic card preloaded.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:15 pm

Yes of course but I wanted you to exclude the graphics card Smile As far as I can tell, packet 1 beats packet 2 in everything else...



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:33 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Yes of course but I wanted you to exclude the graphics card Smile As far as I can tell, packet 1 beats packet 2 in everything else...

Others:

Packet 1 uses MATX mid tower which is slightly smaller
Pros: Slightly smaller
Con: warmer - less airflow

Packet 2 uses ATX tower
Pros: Better thermal conductivity/easier to dissipate heat, more airflow
Con: Slightly larger

None the less, both chassis looks good.

Both Packet's powersupply is hard to compare as both brands are head on, but both isnt modular and have parallel power efficiency. Doesn't make much difference to me.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:39 pm

I heard that the powersupply would drain a lot of power and thereby cost a lot... is it true or plain bullshit?

also, whats the difference between ddr2 and 3? how much does it matter?

EDIT: I talked with a guy from ecuhq.com and he said that my system won't be able to run on 650w.. is that also true? if it is, why would they build a computer that won't run proper?



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Post by AuroraRange on Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:46 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:I heard that the powersupply would drain a lot of power and thereby cost a lot... is it true or plain bullshit?

also, whats the difference between ddr2 and 3? how much does it matter?

EDIT: I talked with a guy from ecuhq.com and he said that my system won't be able to run on 650w.. is that also true? if it is, why would they build a computer that won't run proper?

Sorry for late reply cause was sleeping.

DDR3 have double the bandwidth of DDR2 which allow data to be transfer faster. Improved latency and lower power comsumption in high peformance. It depends, like if u have a DDR2-1066 and a DDR3-1066/1333, you would not feel any difference at all.
(DDR2/3-XXXX) X=data rate


Depend on the power efficiency http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_join.aspx(both packet's PSU is in it)
That guy is bullshitting. 2xHD4870 only draw less then 600w under full load, so 650W is plenty. Did you know u can even power up GTX 260 working normally with a 450W 80+ PSU? The solution is just dont use so much HDD. Your PSU is fine for a normal crossfire setup.


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Post by InsanityVonMike on Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:07 pm

mhm... as always I trust your judgment but if the system suddenly would go slower I'll just change the powersupply...



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:40 pm

does it matter much if you use dual or quad core?



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Post by AuroraRange on Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:13 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:does it matter much if you use dual or quad core?
I still remember a few year back when i was just saying, why need quad core when not all games support multi core rendering. But the truth of modern games trying to take advantage by allow users to use every CPU, GPU you have. Parallel processing is very common nowadays and quadcore's additional 2 cores were now given a huge advantage as compared to dual cores. Quad core is i supposed to be a better choice.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:10 pm

got pretty much the same answer at ecuhq... but i'm still worried about the powersupply (even if i shouldn't).. don't you think it would be better to buy a better powersupply or is that just rubbish?



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Post by AuroraRange on Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:49 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:got pretty much the same answer at ecuhq... but i'm still worried about the powersupply (even if i shouldn't).. don't you think it would be better to buy a better powersupply or is that just rubbish?
That powersupply isnt rubbish at all, its is considered top tier in the market, just that it isnt modular. There are even more PSU that dosnt attain the 80+% efficiency, also have cosair and seasonic product lousy powersupply. Some people have a misconception that a modular is better than a non-modular PSU, just that non-modular can get messy if you dont have proper wire management.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:56 pm

I'll quote the guy from ecuhq...

Single CPU Socket and a regular desktop motherboard
Makes Total: 40 Watt

Adding AMD Phenom II X4 920
Makes Total: 170 Watt

Adding 2 x DDR2 Ramsticks
Makes Total: 180 Watt

Adding your Graphic card ( Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 ) ( Single GFX Card, Not even including your Crossfire Idea )
Makes Total: 280 Watt

Adding 1 S-ATA HDD 7200 RPM
Makes Total: 310 Watt

Adding your DVD Drive
Makes Total: 340 Watt

Adding soundcard and nic
Makes Total: 350 Watt

Adding 2x PCI-e x16
Makes Total: 480 Watt

Adding USB + Firewire
Makes Total: 500 Watt

Adding Fans running full performance
Makes Total: 520 Watt

Adding Capacitor Aging ( A Power Supply will slowly lose some of its initial wattage capacity over a period, So I've added some extra 30% percentage to extend your computer life time by a year. You don't want hardware components to fail at working properly because the power supply cant supply enough power after while [couple months]. )

Makes total: 680 Watt

So i was close.. 680-700. This time i did the realm math Wink

The computer will work fine the first few months.. But after a while it wont run at full performance anymore because the PSU will lose some of its initial wattage capacity while that PSU is giving full potential energy from day 1 Razz

Now, what do you think about this monitor? Samsung 23" LCD Syncmaster 2333SW I have a similar atm but it's not really mine so I need a new screen...



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Post by AuroraRange on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:22 pm

Why do u tink that ATI recommend 550W or above PSU for crossfire? His clueless and just adding wattage like this, making no sense. These high efficiency PSU capacitor will not age so quickly with it made in japan which is high quality. With thats guy's maths, No human would think that cosair would add 2x6pin PCIE power to their PSU if it cant even handle a single hd4850. I once had a ICUTE 450W PSU(A PSU that may explode anytime) several years old running my HD4850 without any problem.

If you have no issues with samsung, go for it Smile



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:31 pm

You're the man!

And I literally LOVE samsung's monitors so it shouldn't be a problem Smile

Ok, let's make a quick review of what I'm about to buy and then, hopefully... we can let this thread rest in peace..

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 650W TXEU Black BULK, ATX/EPS, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 125W, AM2+, 8MB Cache, 2,8Ghz, Boxed with fan
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, DDR2, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB, Kit m/två CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, VGA, HDMI, HDCP, Lite-Retail
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB, 7200Rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Samsung 23" LCD Syncmaster 2333SW

LOGITECH Lasermouse G5

SAITEK ECLIPSE II


I won't need any extra fans do I?



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Post by AuroraRange on Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:58 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:You're the man!

And I literally LOVE samsung's monitors so it shouldn't be a problem Smile

Ok, let's make a quick review of what I'm about to buy and then, hopefully... we can let this thread rest in peace..

In-Win J649 ATX MidiTower black, USB2.0, Audio, Airduct, 120mm fan (Without PSU)
Corsair Powersupply 650W TXEU Black BULK, ATX/EPS, 140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
AMD Phenom II X4 920, 125W, AM2+, 8MB Cache, 2,8Ghz, Boxed with fan
Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4, Socket-AM2+/AM3, AMD 790X+SB750, DDR2, ATX, GbLAN, Firewire, 2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB, Kit m/två CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, DVI, VGA, HDMI, HDCP, Lite-Retail
Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.B 1TB, 7200Rpm, 16MB Cache, SATA
Samsung DVD±RW burner, SH-S222L/BEBN, Dual, Lightscribe, Black, Bulk
Antistatic Armchain 180cm

Samsung 23" LCD Syncmaster 2333SW

LOGITECH Lasermouse G5

SAITEK ECLIPSE II


I won't need any extra fans do I?

you can add 1 more CPU fan to your cart Smile



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:08 pm

Which one do you prefer? http://www.komplett.se/k/search.aspx?q=cpu&bn=10547&mfr= (of course it needs to fit with the packet)

Also, no softwares are included so I wonder what's your opinion about OS and AV Smile



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Post by AuroraRange on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:29 pm

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Which one do you prefer? http://www.komplett.se/k/search.aspx?q=cpu&bn=10547&mfr= (of course it needs to fit with the packet)

Also, no softwares are included so I wonder what's your opinion about OS and AV Smile

ASUS Silent Knight II CPU Cooler - Cool and pretty silent
Cooler Master V8 CPU - Big but good heat dissipation
Xigamtek Thor's Hammer S126384 - Big but good heat dissipation

OS - Windows 7 for sure.
AV - Eset, Kaspersky



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Post by AuroraRange on Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:46 pm

Its 12am over here, im going to sleep, any confirmations i can answer tomorrow.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:07 pm

Well windows 7 has only been released in beta stage... kinda hard to get the key too... i'm kinda curious about eset so I would go for that but it's not many swedish stores that sells it..

this may sound stupid but what's the actual difference between an antivirus software and internet security?



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Post by Doctor Inferno on Fri May 01, 2009 1:35 am

Internet security provides multiple security solutions like Firewall, Antispyware, Antivirus, Anti Phishing etc.

An antivirus, simply protects you from viruses and online threats.


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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 4:06 am

Its easy to get windows 7 beta key, just sign up a live email account and go to microsoft website to get your key. Or else u can find those public keys around the websites.(legal key given by microsoft for beta uses)



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 7:31 am

@Doctor Inferno wrote:Internet security provides multiple security solutions like Firewall, Antispyware, Antivirus, Anti Phishing etc.

An antivirus, simply protects you from viruses and online threats.
You think it's necessary to have both or is antivirus enough?

@AuroraRange wrote:Its easy to get windows 7 beta key, just sign up a live email account and go to microsoft website to get your key. Or else u can find those public keys around the websites.(legal key given by microsoft for beta uses)
They won't allow you to download anymore keys :/



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Post by Doctor Inferno on Fri May 01, 2009 7:40 am

@InsanityVonMike wrote:
@Doctor Inferno wrote:Internet security provides multiple security solutions like Firewall, Antispyware, Antivirus, Anti Phishing etc.

An antivirus, simply protects you from viruses and online threats.
You think it's necessary to have both or is antivirus enough?

It's enough as long as you have 1 antivirus, 1 firewall, 1 antispyware. Do not have more than one of those if not they will cause conflict and problems to your system. As for the Windows 7 Keys, wait till 5th May, MS is releasing the RC.


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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 8:33 am

Obtain your key here Cheesy Grin (sparkly
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd353205.aspx

This is what you will see :

Windows 7 Beta 64-bit Product Key

You may use the following product key to activate your evaluation copy of Windows 7 Beta 64-bit.

Product key: XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX

Please print this page for your records.

We're sorry, but downloads are no longer available. Here are the Installation Instructions, Release Notes, and FAQ.

NOTICE ABOUT THE H.264/AVC VISUAL STANDARD. This software includes H.264/MPEG-4 AVC visual compression technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C. requires this notice:
THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED UNDER THE AVC PATENT PORTFOLIO LICENSE FOR THE PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE OF A CONSUMER TO (i) ENCODE VIDEO IN COMPLIANCE WITH AVC STANDARD (“AVC VIDEO”) AND/OR (ii) DECODE AVC VIDEO THAT WAS ENCODED BY A CONSUMER ENGAGED IN A PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERICAL ACTIVITY AND/OR WAS OBTAINED FROM A VIDEO PROVIDER LICENSED TO PROVIDE AVC VIDEO. NO LICENSE IS GRANTED OR SHALL BE IMPLIED FOR ANY OTHER USE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE OBTAINED FROM MPEG LA, L.L.C SEE HTTP://WWW.MPEGLA.COM



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 8:34 am

Is norton 2009 faster than the previous versions? Also, what's the difference between 2009 and 360?

I heard that you needed vista to install windows 7 at the moment... is vista really that bad?



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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 8:42 am

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Is norton 2009 faster than the previous versions? Also, what's the difference between 2009 and 360?

I heard that you needed vista to install windows 7 at the moment... is vista really that bad?

U dont need to download vista to use windows 7, u can torrent it now because Microsoft removed the download from its website.

Norton 360 - internet security
Norton Antivirus 2009 - Anti-Virus

Why use norton if there are much better software out there?



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 8:45 am

which harddrive is the best one?

Western Digital Caviar® Black™ 500GB
eSata 3 Gb/s, 32MB Cache, 7200RPM

WD Caviar GP WD5000AACS 500GB
SATA-300 / GreenPower / 16MB



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 8:46 am

@AuroraRange wrote:
@InsanityVonMike wrote:Is norton 2009 faster than the previous versions? Also, what's the difference between 2009 and 360?

I heard that you needed vista to install windows 7 at the moment... is vista really that bad?

U dont need to download vista to use windows 7, u can torrent it now because Microsoft removed the download from its website.

Norton 360 - internet security
Norton Antivirus 2009 - Anti-Virus

Why use norton if there are much better software out there?
such as nod32?



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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 8:48 am

Yep



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 9:10 am

When the time expires, how much will it cost to upgrade nod32?

EDIT: Please answer my previous question about harddrives too Smile
And did you mean to download the OS through piracy? Isn't that kinda risky (not to get caught but the risk that it won't work proper)



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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 9:23 am

@InsanityVonMike wrote:When the time expires, how much will it cost to upgrade nod32?

EDIT: Please answer my previous question about harddrives too Smile
And did you mean to download the OS through piracy? Isn't that kinda risky (not to get caught but the risk that it won't work proper)

Its not illegal to torrent windows, it illegal to use illegal keys.

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eSata 3 Gb/s, 32MB Cache, 7200RPM is better(higher cache) but notice it uses Esata which is for external HD uses.



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Post by InsanityVonMike on Fri May 01, 2009 9:26 am

Yeah I know it uses higher cache but I thought that wouldn't matter since the other one is greenpower... but how can an intern harddrive be external?

EDIT: and i have no idea where to get a vista/windows 7 key..



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Post by AuroraRange on Fri May 01, 2009 9:33 am

@InsanityVonMike wrote:Yeah I know it uses higher cache but I thought that wouldn't matter since the other one is greenpower... but how can an intern harddrive be external?

EDIT: and i have no idea where to get a vista/windows 7 key..


Windows 7 key is here http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd353205.aspx

ESATA is SATA which is used connected to outside of your case through an ESATA port, external uses.



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